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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/217588-project%20leads%20%28public%29/topic/Interesting%20Reads/near/214504105" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/217588-project-leads-(public)/topic/Interesting.20Reads.html#214504105">(Oct 25 2020 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>There's an interesting study out on issues of FOSS projects around sustainability, especially due to skill gaps. It was sponsored by the Ford Foundation, who also sponsored "Roads &amp; Bridges".</p>
<p><a href="https://recommendations.implicit-development.org/project-details/">https://recommendations.implicit-development.org/project-details/</a><br>
<a href="https://recommendations.implicit-development.org/assets/IDE_REPORT_2020.pdf">https://recommendations.implicit-development.org/assets/IDE_REPORT_2020.pdf</a></p>
<p>The PDF version is fast to read, takes you about an hour. I can highly recommend it, it gives a lot of food for thought.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/217588-project%20leads%20%28public%29/topic/Interesting%20Reads/near/214504292" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/217588-project-leads-(public)/topic/Interesting.20Reads.html#214504292">(Oct 25 2020 at 18:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Note: it's an interview study, not a quantitative study)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/217588-project%20leads%20%28public%29/topic/Interesting%20Reads/near/218131330" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/217588-project-leads-(public)/topic/Interesting.20Reads.html#218131330">(Nov 27 2020 at 21:45)</a>:</h4>
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<p>For trust and privacy reasons, we limited our set of demographic questions to a minimum. Nevertheless, most opted out of stating even basic information like gender ... since pull requests by observably female profiles are more often rejected [1]</p>
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<p><span aria-label="cry" class="emoji emoji-1f622" role="img" title="cry">:cry:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/217588-project%20leads%20%28public%29/topic/Interesting%20Reads/near/218131472" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/217588-project-leads-(public)/topic/Interesting.20Reads.html#218131472">(Nov 27 2020 at 21:48)</a>:</h4>
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<p>THE COLLECTIVE<br>
Longevity: Collectives are persistent, even though contributor numbers fluctuate and the original founders may no longer be involved.<br>
Funding: Little to no first-hand experience, often with a critical attitude towards funding.<br>
Resources: The project has no funds; if it does, distributing them is seen as a challenge.</p>
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<p>well this certainly sounds familiar <span aria-label="sweat smile" class="emoji emoji-1f605" role="img" title="sweat smile">:sweat_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/217588-project%20leads%20%28public%29/topic/Interesting%20Reads/near/218132117" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/217588-project-leads-(public)/topic/Interesting.20Reads.html#218132117">(Nov 27 2020 at 22:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>this bit is repeated like 5 times:</p>
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<p>Reach out to people who dropped out of a project in order to learn what factors contributed to them leaving.</p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/217588-project%20leads%20%28public%29/topic/Interesting%20Reads/near/218132128" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/217588-project-leads-(public)/topic/Interesting.20Reads.html#218132128">(Nov 27 2020 at 22:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>... has anyone done that for former members of the rust community?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/217588-project%20leads%20%28public%29/topic/Interesting%20Reads/near/218132170" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/217588-project-leads-(public)/topic/Interesting.20Reads.html#218132170">(Nov 27 2020 at 22:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>it probably doesn't make sense for <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="158781">Graydon Hoare</span> or other early founders, but I think reaching out to @centril, <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="118594">ecstatic-morse</span>, maybe others would help us know why people are leaving</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/217588-project%20leads%20%28public%29/topic/Interesting%20Reads/near/218133218" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/217588-project-leads-(public)/topic/Interesting.20Reads.html#218133218">(Nov 27 2020 at 22:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's interesting (and maybe not a coincidence?) that most of the authors are women</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/217588-project%20leads%20%28public%29/topic/Interesting%20Reads/near/218133249" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/217588-project-leads-(public)/topic/Interesting.20Reads.html#218133249">(Nov 27 2020 at 22:21)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="215333">@Florian Gilcher</span> thanks for the link :) it was definitely on point</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/217588-project%20leads%20%28public%29/topic/Interesting%20Reads/near/218134613" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/217588-project-leads-(public)/topic/Interesting.20Reads.html#218134613">(Nov 27 2020 at 22:49)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/must_bind">https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/must_bind</a> is a good example of this actually - the PR was closed with 'go through the project group process', but without actually saying what the process was</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/217588-project%20leads%20%28public%29/topic/Interesting%20Reads/near/218204798" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Phil H <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/217588-project-leads-(public)/topic/Interesting.20Reads.html#218204798">(Nov 29 2020 at 09:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>What an interesting read, thanks!</p>
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<p>Individuals often spend more than a year passively reading mailing lists and trying to make sense of the code on their own before actively taking part in discussions and committing to code.</p>
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<p>This was true for me as well, although it was only a few months back in 2017.</p>
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<p>Clear onboarding mechanisms are the exception, not the rule.</p>
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<p>I do think the rustc-dev-guide is close to exceptionally good, but I wonder if it would make sense to have more specific on-boarding paths for different areas of the organization (rustc, tools and all the other teams)?</p>



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